{"id":8096,"date":"2016-01-12T19:28:17","date_gmt":"2016-01-12T19:28:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/cardiffian.jomec.co.uk\/?p=8096"},"modified":"2016-01-12T19:28:17","modified_gmt":"2016-01-12T19:28:17","slug":"eu-debate-heats-cardiff","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/2016\/01\/12\/eu-debate-heats-cardiff\/","title":{"rendered":"EU debate heats up in Cardiff"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>WALES First Minster Carwyn Jones and UKIP leader Nigel Farage have squared off over the upcoming EU referendum.<br \/>\nAt a debate in the Wales Millennium Centre last night tempers flared in the \u2018Europe: In or Out\u2019 debate.<br \/>\nIn what was described as a \u201cshouting match\u201d by observers Mr Farage argued for leaving while Mr Jones said Britain should retain its membership.<br \/>\nIn his\u00a0opening statements Mr Farage said: \u201cThis debate is not about Europe the continent which is a diverse continent of cultures and peoples&#8230; and is a fascinating place. This is about the EU.\u201d<br \/>\nThe First Minister responded with: \u201cWales is at home in Europe and Europe is at home in Wales. A vote to stay in is a vote of a confident nation.<br \/>\n\u201cI am a proud Welsh man. I am proud to be British and I am proud to be European.<br \/>\nThe arguments focused on\u00a0economics, decisions making and immigration, the last point promoting an ominous \u201doooo\u201d from the audience.<br \/>\nPolls afterwards suggested a comfortable Farage victory. He tweeted after: \u201cEnjoyed #IWADebate just now. Let&#8217;s Leave EU &amp; take back control of our borders, make our own laws and negotiate our own trade deals.\u201d<br \/>\nFormer MP Mark Reckless, who lost his seat after defecting to UKIP reflected on the match-up between the two politicians. Speaking afterwards he said: \u201cI thought it was as superb debate.<br \/>\n\u201cI haven\u2019t changed my mind. I have thought long and hard about it and I\u2019m not a floating voter on this one.\u201d<br \/>\nHe refused to be drawn on whether Mr Farage\u2019s position of leader would be questioned if he lost the referendum. He said: \u201cI think you will have to ask Nigel that one.\u201d<br \/>\nThere were some grumblings that the leaders had failed to be positive in their future visions for Britain.<br \/>\nKate Rauwerda attended the event. She said: \u201cWhile it was fantastic to see the IWA and Cardiff University hosting such a widely publicised, high level debate here in Wales, I couldn&#8217;t help but be disappointed by both leaders&#8217; inability to portray a positive image of how the UK might benefit from either a &#8216;yes&#8217; or a &#8216;no&#8217; vote.<br \/>\n\u201cThe real loser was the electorate, which deserves more than the same old scaremongering from both sides of the debate.\u201d<br \/>\nLiberal Democrat AM Eluned Parrot agreed. She said: &#8220;Neither person came out of this shouting match particularly well.<br \/>\n&#8220;Carwyn Jones was right to be arguing the importance of the UK remaining the EU.\u00a0 Yet, his views are in stark contrast to his party in London where Jeremy Corbyn remains ambivalent on this major issue.<br \/>\nKey quotes from Nigel Farage:<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/cardiffian.jomec.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/01\/Farage.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-8109\" src=\"http:\/\/cardiffian.jomec.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/01\/Farage-281x300.jpg\" alt=\"Farage\" width=\"281\" height=\"300\" \/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-8109\" src=\"http:\/\/cardiffian.jomec.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/01\/Farage-281x300.jpg\" alt=\"Farage\" width=\"281\" height=\"300\" \/><\/noscript><\/a><br \/>\nOn another Scottish referendum: \u201cLuton might vote different to the rest of the UK but they are not going to leave.\u201d<br \/>\n\u201cGovernments don\u2019t do business. Businesses do business\u201d<br \/>\nKey quotes from Carwyn Jones:<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/cardiffian.jomec.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/01\/Carwyn-Jones1.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-8107\" src=\"http:\/\/cardiffian.jomec.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/01\/Carwyn-Jones1-300x282.jpg\" alt=\"Carwyn Jones\" width=\"300\" height=\"282\" \/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-8107\" src=\"http:\/\/cardiffian.jomec.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/01\/Carwyn-Jones1-300x282.jpg\" alt=\"Carwyn Jones\" width=\"300\" height=\"282\" \/><\/noscript><\/a><br \/>\n\u201cIf you felt that strongly about fisheries why didn\u2019t you go to 42 fisheries meetings.\u201d<br \/>\n\u201cWhere did you get the 75% figure? You\u2019re making it up as you go along!\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>WALES First Minster Carwyn Jones and UKIP leader Nigel Farage have squared off over the upcoming EU referendum. At a debate in the Wales Millennium Centre last night tempers flared in the \u2018Europe: In or Out\u2019 debate. In what was described as a \u201cshouting match\u201d by observers Mr Farage argued for leaving while Mr Jones said Britain should retain its membership. 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