{"id":96098,"date":"2025-03-18T15:01:56","date_gmt":"2025-03-18T15:01:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/?p=96098"},"modified":"2025-03-18T15:01:58","modified_gmt":"2025-03-18T15:01:58","slug":"its-just-terrible-change-in-law-forces-family-to-wait-more-than-a-month-for-mothers-funeral","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/2025\/03\/18\/its-just-terrible-change-in-law-forces-family-to-wait-more-than-a-month-for-mothers-funeral\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018It\u2019s just terrible\u2019: Change in law forces family to wait more than a month for mother&#8217;s funeral"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Delays in getting death certificate are creating extra anguish for grieving relatives, says bereaved son<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>A MAN who had to wait 15 days to register his mother\u2019s death has described the new process as \u201ca nightmare\u201d that &#8220;compounded his grief&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Robert Nesbitt\u2019s mother, Marjorie Skinner, died on January 5 at Ysbyty Aneurin Bevan Hospital from a brain tumour and influenza.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Under changes to the death certification process, introduced in England and Wales in September 2024, all deaths must be reviewed independently by a medical examiner or coroner.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This change was recommended after an inquiry into how mass murderer and GP Harold Shipman remained undetected for so long. But it has caused delays to death certificates being issued.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s just awful not knowing what is going on,\u201d said Mr Nesbitt, who had to make several phone calls to find out why it was taking so long.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The 67-year-old said it was a very slow process, with \u201c15 days of nothing happening\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cYou can\u2019t move forward, you can\u2019t arrange the funeral,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cWhen somebody dies the last thing you want to do is to get angry,\u201d said the retired firefighter, who finally managed to speak to the medical examiner to get the paperwork signed off.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>His mother\u2019s death was registered at Bleneau Gwent Register Office on January 20 allowing Mr Nesbitt to start planning the funeral which took place on February 7 &#8211; over a month after her death.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cIf I hadn\u2019t pushed it, it would have been another week or two weeks,&#8221; said the father of two.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cWhy on earth did it take so long to do and why did I have to shout at them to get them to do it? I couldn\u2019t go and see her in the chapel of rest because the undertaker advised me not to.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mr Nesbitt last saw his mother a few days before Christmas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cI ended up with bronchitis, so I couldn\u2019t go to the hospital, so I never saw her.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-96111\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-770x433.jpg 770w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-2048x1151.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-293x165.jpg 293w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-1400x787.jpg 1400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-96111\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-770x433.jpg 770w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-2048x1151.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-293x165.jpg 293w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Death-Certificate-Rob-Final-1400x787.jpg 1400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/noscript><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Robert Nesbitt said that he was left in limbo while waiting for his mother&#8217;s death certificate to be issued.<\/strong> Credit: The Cardiffian<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What are the changes to the death certificate process?<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>GPs were previously able to issue a death certificate independently. Now a GP completes a Medical Cause of Death Certificate which is reviewed independently by a medical examiner.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>During this scrutiny, medical examiners speak to bereaved families and offer the opportunity to ask questions. Once the MCCD has been approved, it is sent to the registrar so the death can be registered.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/news\/causes-of-death-to-be-scrutinised-in-revamp-of-death-certificates\">The UK government says <\/a>this helps protect the public by providing greater transparency and an extra level of scrutiny so preventing criminal activity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\u2018It takes choice away from the family\u2019<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s a very big issue\u201d, said Kevin Evans, of funeral directors, Lawrence Prosser and Sons.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cWe\u2019re having awful trouble with it.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>He said getting a death registered used to take a &#8220;couple of days\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Medical Examiner Service for Wales\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/nwssp.nhs.wales\/ourservices\/medical-examiner-service\/about-medical-examiner-service\/\">website<\/a> says scrutiny process should take between 24 and 72 hours after they receive the relevant paperwork.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mark Ivor Thomas, company director of Ivor Thomas Funerals, said delays have put an extra strain on the grieving process.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cI think it takes choice away from the family, because if a family think \u2018I need this done to be able to help move on or to help with the grieving process&#8217;, well, if you are forced to wait for five weeks for the funeral to take place, then that option is taken away from you,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-96115\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-770x433.jpg 770w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-500x281.jpg 500w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-293x165.jpg 293w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-1400x788.jpg 1400w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-96115\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-770x433.jpg 770w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-500x281.jpg 500w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-293x165.jpg 293w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final-1400x788.jpg 1400w, https:\/\/cardiffjournalism.co.uk\/thecardiffian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/9\/2025\/03\/Funeral-Casket-Mario-Wallner-from-Pexels-PS-Final.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/noscript><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Funeral director Mark Ivor Thomas said the delays in issuing death certificates were &#8220;a big issue&#8221; for bereaved families.<\/strong> Credit: Mario Wallner from Pexels<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n<p>Mr Ivor Thomas said the delays also have a cross-cultural impact. For instance, in Judaism and Islam, funerals are usually held within a day of the person\u2019s death.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cEvery family works at a different pace. We had a funeral with a cultural need for it to be taken place quickly. We couldn&#8217;t book the funeral in until we had all the paperwork.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cInstead of taking place the same week they\u2019ve been taking two and a half weeks.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cI understand why people want two or three weeks, because it helps them with the process, helps them get the funeral right for them. But then, what if it goes too far? Without the family choice in it, then it can be quite destructive,\u201d said Mr Ivor Thomas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The 36-year-old said the reasons for the reforms were for the best but the system was not currently working.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cI&#8217;m not quite sure what needs to change behind the scenes for it to be done, but it it&#8217;s not worth the additional time it is taking for the benefits.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\u2018Total lack of ownership\u2019<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>The Welsh Government said: \u201cWe would like to apologise to any families who have experienced delays in receiving death certificates, which may have affected their funeral plans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cChanges introduced in England and Wales to reform the death certification process are designed to strengthen safeguards for families but these have taken some time to fully bed in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cWe are working with the lead Medical Examiner, the NHS in Wales and other organisations involved in death certification to provide additional support. Recent ONS data show the time to registering a death is reducing but we are continuing to work with the sector to support families during this difficult time.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Medical Examiner Service Regional Hub Office in South East Wales declined an opportunity to comment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cNobody\u2019s taking ownership\u201d, said Mr Nesbitt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cFrustrating is the biggest word and seeing a total lack of ownership from people who are supposed to do their job.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cThe law was changed allegedly to assist the process &#8211; but it\u2019s done the opposite in my opinion.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Concerns have been raised over the impact that delays to the death certification process is having on grieving families. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1216,"featured_media":96114,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2,3],"tags":[1291,9072,1960,8738,339,6395],"coauthors":[8792],"class_list":["post-96098","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-featured","category-news","tag-cardiff-2","tag-death-certificate","tag-delays","tag-funeral","tag-wales","tag-welsh-governement"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v25.2 - 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